Cool, catchy and accurate! But no doubt our “Liberal” minded friends will still yell . . .“Racist.” I mean, who really cares about the facts anyhow? Post more! :^)

Numbers 31

Ahhh…Mr. P…this is the 21st century…Can you identify the Jews (or Christians or Buddhists, Hindus etc etc )who are busy running around the world slaughtering innocents because they want to make the rest of Jews, Christians, Buddhists, Hindus etc etc? I’ve never been to Falwell’s college or for that matter any fundamentalist Christian college in America, or for that matter outside of Georgetown any religiously-based college in the US, but – call me crazy – I’m willing to bet they do not teach “Kill the Infidels 101” or “Beheading for Beginners” (see the news story about the 12-year old in Pakistan doing same.)

I know. I know. This is all Bush’s fault.

I know, it’s not like until very recently the United States engaged in a horrifyingly barbaric practice such as child executions… oh my god what is that… no the facts help get them away from me I want to be conseeeeervative! http://hrw.org/english/docs/2005/03/01/usdom10231.htm

Yeah, they commit the crime when they’re 17, get arrested when they are 18, tried and convicted at 19 or 20, and finally get executed when they’re in they’re early to mid 30’s but somehow we’re “executing children”. I love the left’s mischaracterization of facts.

…it’s not the age at which they are executed, it’s the age at which they are sentenced that makes them a child offender.

From Amnesty International two years ago, when we stopped executing people for crimes they committed when they were sixteen:

The international prohibition on executing people for crimes committed when they were children reflects a common understanding that the lives of child offenders, due to a young person’s immaturity, impulsiveness, vulnerability and capacity for rehabilitation, should never be simply written off, no matter how heinous the crime. Today, the US Supreme Court agreed. It found that the inherent differences between children and adults meant that child offenders “cannot with reliability be classified among the worst offenders” for which the USA supposedly reserves the death penalty."

But that’s not what you said. You didn’t say “youthful offender”. You said “child executions”. This is misleading at best and downright dishonest at worst.

I’ll never forget the first time I watched a report on the execution of “youthful offenders”. I felt all bad until they interviewed a guy on death row and he had gray hair! The guy was like in his 40s and had been on Death Row for almost 25 years. Child execution my ass! Hey, are those pimples? No they’re liver spots!

And let me just state that I am AGAINST the Death Penalty no matter what the age of the offender is. But these are not “child executions”. The vast majority of these cases are offenders just a few months shy of 18 and the crimes are brutally heinous.

You have a valid point. “Youthful offender” is a much better term; I confess I was reading the Amnesty International report on the matter and unthinkingly adopted their terminology.

These are people being executed for crimes committed when they were sixteen or seventeen, sometimes even younger (admittedly very rarely). It is a common tenet in our society that children under the age of 18 do not have their full adult faculties, which is why they are restricted in making certain activities which presumably require the full application of those faculties in assessing the risk: drinking, smoking, etc. To then turn around and execute these same children, removing their lives irrevocably in punishment for actions taken before they had those full faculties seems outrageously cruel. These children are not old enough to smoke, so it seems simply vicious to say that they are nonetheless old enough to understand the full ramifications of crime.

That’s the problem I have with the Amnesty stance. They spit out terms like “child executions” when they know that this is NOT true in the case of the USA.

I agree that children should not be tried as adults. It aggravates me especially to see a 15 year old who robbed a grocery store getting tried as an adult. He’s 15!

Now with the case of murder it is especially heinous. But I don’t think the world is gonna end if you don’t lethally inject a 17 1/2 year old who kills someone.

Oh, I forgot my point. I agree that the Death Penalty is not good here, but let’s be honest. We’re not executing children. By the time they get executed they haven’t been children for quite some time. Usually by the time they get sentenced they aren’t children anymore.

So… you admit that you think the execution of youthful offenders is wrong, but as long as the world doesn’t end it’s still not a big deal?

Yes, you are correct, we are not executing children, thank god. A bad choice of words on their part and mine. But we ARE executing people for things they did when they were children. How can we declare that these kids are not mature enough to decide to smoke, but they are mature enough to have full comprehension of the consequences of crime?

I admit that the execution of ANYONE is wrong. I’m against the Death Penalty.

“but as long as the world doesn’t end it’s still not a big deal?”

Huh? I think you misread me. I said the world will not end if we STOP executing them.

“But we ARE executing people for things they did when they were children. How can we declare that these kids are not mature enough to decide to smoke, but they are mature enough to have full comprehension of the consequences of crime?”

For once, we are in full agreement.

I guess my whole point is that it was a bad choice for Amnesty (and for you) to use the term “child executions”. You seem to be in agreement with me on this so I guess we can just agree to agree. :P

Sweet.

Monty Python could not have done better!

In regards to the biblical quote mentioned above, if you read the context, you will see that they didn’t have the capacity to take many prisoners, and also, that the women had spearheaded the enemies attack, the young girls were taken to be looked after as children, not as slaves.

Regarding this video it is unfortuanate that this video is 100% accurate, read the quran for yourself to see.

Islam is a religion of violence and bigotry. This presentation tells it like it is.

Spend some time in Leviticus folks. If this is the best conservatives can do on the internet I suggest they stick to what they know, AM radio.

Mr. P,
Today we are graced with a report from the BBC of the video taped stoning of a 17 year old girl in Iraq. The girl died for having a boyfriend of the wrong sect of Islam. For shame! Where was her honor? Her male relatives were quick to reveal the crime and hurl the first stones.
Ah Islam, the wonderful religion of peace. Thank you for illustrating the evils of Christianity.

I wonder how long until YouTube bans this one? whoops, this isn’t YouTube. lol

Mr. Paethon, your original post from the Bible is valid, and God did call for executions of Isreal’s enemies. He even punished those who disobeyed Him with death.

I would like you to find where He commands that of Christians (New-Covenant type) going forward, the same way the qur’an does.

I admit that there was time for killing, but true Christians are not looking to kill anyone currently, nor are we commanded to make slaves, or kill others. We are to spread the Good News of Christ, and invite others to share in that Good News.

I understand that there is a time in history when Christian values will be persecuted,(this may or may not be that time) but it does not mean that we will abandon them; nor does it mean that we hand ourselves over to slaughter.

Mr. Paethon, your original post from the Bible is valid, and God did call for executions of Isreal’s enemies. He even punished those who disobeyed Him with death.

I would like you to find where He commands that of Christians (New-Covenant type) going forward, the same way the qur’an does.

I admit that there was time for killing, but true Christians are not looking to kill anyone currently, nor are we commanded to make slaves, or kill others. We are to spread the Good News of Christ, and invite others to share in that Good News.

I understand that there is a time in history when Christian values will be persecuted,(this may or may not be that time) but it does not mean that we will abandon them; nor does it mean that we hand ourselves over to slaughter.

Stop giving this liberal attention, that’s what he’s here to get, so you’re just giving him reason to come back.

God told Jews to slaughter several religious groups who engaged in child sacrifice. God wanted to have a place where the Jews could live and not be contaminated by false demonic religions (like Islam, who’s founder wrote the words of whatever demon was talking to him in his Koran). The big difference is that Muslims are currently under the command to kill for their false god Allah, while Jews and Christians unanimously agree that the commands to kill in the Torah were only for 4,000 years ago, and not to be followed today.

Can you imagine how powerful Christians/Jews would be if we were killers like Muslims? We would have wiped out the billion or so of them with nukes a long time ago, and the whole world would have converted to Christianity out of fear we would do the same to them. Christians and Jews are peaceniks when compared to what they could be doing.

Stop giving this liberal attention, that’s what he’s here to get, so you’re just giving him reason to come back.

God told Jews to slaughter several religious groups who engaged in child sacrifice. God wanted to have a place where the Jews could live and not be contaminated by false demonic religions (like Islam, who’s founder wrote the words of whatever demon was talking to him in his Koran). The big difference is that Muslims are currently under the command to kill for their false god Allah, while Jews and Christians unanimously agree that the commands to kill in the Torah were only for 4,000 years ago, and not to be followed today.

Can you imagine how powerful Christians/Jews would be if we were killers like Muslims? We would have wiped out the billion or so of them with nukes a long time ago, and the whole world would have converted to Christianity out of fear we would do the same to them. Christians and Jews are peaceniks when compared to what they could be doing.

Woe, they really should fix the “Leave Comment” button here so that you know your comment has been posted when you press it!

Mr.P.,
Why do I always find those same sad, irrelevant biblical quotes (your first post) in every thread about islam? Can you not tell the difference between a simple recounting of history, and an ongoing commandment for continuing action? If the Koran simply told stories of its violent founding, then modern day muslims would have no problems dealing with the jihadists. In truth, the Koran is filled with marching orders, not bedtime stories. Todays muslims cannot compartmentalize the calls to violence as a mere relic of a dark past; these verses are active; they live. So please spare me your relativism, it’s not deeeep, man.

lol – love satire and music.

TERRIFIC!

la la la … it’s in the Koran … I won’t be able to get that out of my head … in bed!

lol

Well, let’s see…

The left has to point to misrepresented history in order to “support” their arguments and the right merely has to pick up a daily newspaper in order to support theirs.

The right mentions the Twin Towers and the left mentions the crusades (which were a reaction to what? Say it with me… "Muslim invaders!)

The left is too funny. What would we do without them? I mean, besides win a war or two…

T + F = LOVE IT!!!!

T + F – S = LIBERALS HATE IT!

I didn’t know Stephen Hawking could sing. Nice.

My favorite quote from this thread:“the left mentions the crusades (which were a reaction to what? Say it with me… “Muslim invaders!)”

Amazing scholarship.

The rest… I mention that very typical example of brutality by the Israelites to illustrate that holy books can not always be applied literally. Genesis pretty much proves that, with the whole “seven days” nonsense.

You know when your a Fundie when…

1. You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.

1. You feel insulted and “dehumanized” when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.

1. You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God.

mr phaethon fails to realize that Christians and Jews have moved beyond their strict adherence to brutality through religion.

The muslims have not and have no intention to do so. This should tell you something even a liberal could grasp.

yukkione their really is little to say about you. just read your blog and one realizes they are arguing with an unarmed (intelligence level) individual.

But welcome to our site, you will be quite entertaining.

I love that thing.

Hey KC No suprise finding you here…I have this in my Favs at YT…Love it!!!

"gboettner on May 05

mr phaethon fails to realize that Christians and Jews have moved beyond their strict adherence to brutality through religion.
The muslims have not and have no intention to do so. This should tell you something even a liberal could grasp."

You’re right. There’s a mosque on my street, let’s bomb the hell out of that. Muslims have a strict adherence to brutality through religion.

mr. phaethon:
Christians believe that Jesus fulfilled the Mosaic law so that we would no longer have to follow the same laws; those in Deuteronomy and Leviticus, that the Jews of old did. This does not mean that the Ten Commandments are obsolete, for those are tenents to live by. Your argument is used by ignorant atheists or other theists who want to try and confuse the argument.
Also, the Crusades were a direct response to the occupation of the Holy Land in the 11th century by the Seljuk Turks. While I do not believe violence is always justiied, we have to remember not to use our modern sesnibilities to judge their behavior.
In contrast, the behavior of the Islamic regimes in Saudi Arabia, Syria, Iran, etc. are truly sad. The lack of basic human rights for women, minorities and the disabled should not be overlooked or swept away. I am against US involvement in a Civil War, but I do support trying to help those who are unable to defend themselves.

In point of fact, idittman, you can’t speak for all Christians. Some believed Jesus when he said that he came “not to overturn the law, but to fulfill it” and that “not one iota of the law will pass from this earth before the end”.

It is absurd to think that the Crusades were in any way justified, by occupation or invasion or the like. If you research the history, you discover that when the leader of the Eastern Orthodox Church appealed to Urban II for aid, he was immediately regretful as the Crusades sacked his cities before marauding the Holy Land. And the Crusades in Moorish Spain perpetrated ever-higher heights of appalling atrocity.

I think we absolutely have to use modern “sensibilities” (or “morals,” as I like to call them) to judge such things. We have no other standard. We might not condemn them for their time, but those actions themselves were atrocious and we should not follow them up.

If you are concerned about human rights, then I have to ask why you don’t support armed invasion and suppression of such states as the Congo or the like, where the violence and human rights violations are widely known and worse than almost anyplace in the Middle East. I know WHY we don’t care about them: they have no oil. But how do you rationalize it?

this is an insanely ignorant video of islamaphobia.
anyone who supports this should get a reality check.

Note: there are no sutras in the Koran. Douchebag.

Oh, yes, QubeTEEhee. Where racists, bigots, liars and, oh my, conservatives (?) thrive.

It is clear that some of those who are defending Islam here do not know much about it. I bet some of them will quote the sura “There is no compulsion in religion” and expect us the eat the drivel.

Islam applies the doctrine of abrogation. The later suras cancel the earlier suras. So to those “Islam is a religion of peace” pundits NOTE: the war verses (the Sword, etc) have CANCELLED those “peaceful” blah-blahs you love to quote.

I am curious how you apply such logic, truecrusader, when different versions order the suras different ways. There is no formal order; they have a usual order only because they go from shortest to longest.

Oops, huh? ;)

Tarky8 – quit posting your lame propaganda – go to you tube and revel in the stupidity

This little ditty which was posted is excellent and accurate.

Could you guys just stop using the comments section to my video to bicker amongst yourself? I want honest feedback about the video, and not about the point any one of you are currently trying to make. Finally, about the comments, TRUST THAT IT WAS SENT, AND STOP REPEAT CLICKING!

Thanks alot, Matthias

Haha yeah this was the place to go for no bickering and honest feedback!

O.K. – honest feedback about the video:
I loved it – I watched it more than once, and e-mailed it to family and friends.

I’m glad the words were written on the screen, because it was really difficult to understand. The volume for the lyrics was too low, as well as.

Otherwise, very clever and humorous.

BTW, mr phaethon… your statement “haha yeah this was the place to go for no bickering…” is too funny.
Who was it that started the bickering???

Mr. P: you are quite nauseating, but have a good day.

mr_phaethon

It’s very easy to find out these things- if you read. 1. the hadiths provide some indication as to the order in which these suras were “revealed”. This will take some reading (Bukhari, Ishaq, Tabari, Muslim, etc). 2. to save the effort, read various works on the Qu’ran.

Also, the fact that the Qu’ran is disordered is due to the fact that in order- it appears jumbled- no structure, etc. But this you can read up on.

MATTHIAS!!

GREAT video! This was the 1st vid I watched on Qubetv and it has kept me coming back!

It’s hard to catch the words as they are sung- so having them in writing helps.

But great song- really catchy!

it gave me a little hope that mr_p and decyphe3 could have a civil argument. thanks decyphe3, so far all i have seen in respect to opposing views here is mockery and ridicule.

Don’t forget that the Bible tells us it’s ok to have sex with our daddy. Lott got double teamed by his two daughters. Praise Jesus!!

@Elroy Smiley:

Just because something’s in the Bible doesn’t mean that God condones it. There are numerous refernces to sinful activity, but does that make it right to do it? No. So don’t take that which is Biblical out of context

What makes the Koran more dangerous than the Bible (which, BTW is modeled upon it’s worst most primitive aspects) is that there is no room for misinterpretation given that it is all the revealed word of Allah through one who claims to be the last prophet to mankind on earth, Mohammed. If one looks upon Islam with the sanctified and Islamically approved methods of interpretation, using abrogation, the directives are very clear and very violent toward those not Muslim. OBL is, in fact, doing just what a good Muslim should be doing.

Granted, violence may be condoned in parts of the qu’ran, but that doesn’t mean all Muslims try to kill Christians. Personally, I’m an Atheist, and I see no real evil in any religion, only people taking it too seriously, or misinterpreting it.

So what if most Muslims don’t try to kill kuffr’s; most Nazi’s didn’t commit murder either and were pretty law abiding too: excepting that little matter of whole hearted approval of the slauightering of millions of Jews:
and, BTW, the average Muslim gets it straight from their Allah to feel the same way about Jews. Mohammed even say’s Allah will animate bushs and trees to rat out Jews… to be more easily killed. Many Muslims think the Trinity of God in Christianity is but polytheism; and the Koran says flatly to kill the polythiests. So, you are either a moron or a liar Futsunushi. Which?

Mr. P, look, I’m tired of all of this myth about Jews. I’m a Jew. You know that myth that jews would kidnap kids and kill them. We’d kidnap the child and make them work for us, and that’s a big difference!!

They lefties stray from the point of 21st century practice and Mr. P is too ignorant to know that many of the things in the Torah are writen with great wisdom in that they actually prevent their practice, practically. Dennis Prager has spoken endlessly about this and always makes sense. I’m a Catholic that has a Jewish wife and two Jewish children. The denial and attempts at moral equivalency by the left are laughable and only make their side silly and childish.

The stuff in the Koran is messed up. But also, if I was to put some of the stuff that the Bible says then I don’t know if you could tell what’s worse. Islam has a lot of crazy stuff in it, but so does every other religion. Please tell me i’m wrong!!!!! I’m not defending Islam, i’m just pointing out the obvious.

For one thing Islam is a cult of Mohammed.
Islam is more like Mormonism than any of the more mainstream Protestant and Catholic denominations and sects.

Those violent passages in the Bible are usually specific to a time and place; as with the Jews moving into the Promised Land or involve specific individuals.

The Koran in contrast has directives from Allah for all Muslims to carry out. Directives that are set to a procedure of clarification from contridictions; from a Koran itself based method called abrogation.
Abrogation declares that the later, more violent, Median suras take precedence over the earlier more peaceful Meccan suras.
In addition you would apply the fallacy of time to your logic if you argued with examples of Christian institutionalized violence. A pre-industrial age Spanish Inquisition wouldn’t be a fair comparison to a 21 century Muslim Jihad.
Yea, you are wrong.

Why isn’t this song getting play on the Major Radio Stations?
?

The bible has some hard core things in it in the old testament. The bible contains zero commands from God to kill all unbelievers, subdue the world through violence, or subdue all peoples who are not Christian.

The Koran is chucked full of crap. Its a warrior cult. The first thing muslims did when they invented their religion was to make war on everyone else.

Think I’ll make this my ring back tone!…lol

what the heck,..on my answering machine too!!